Ep. 37: Maria Marten & The Red Barn Murder
Kathryn (00:10)
Hello, welcome to I Scream You Scream. We are your weekly scoop of the most chilling histories, mysteries, and paranormal perplexities. My name's Kathryn.
Gina (00:20)
I'm Gina.
Kathryn (00:21)
And for the month of July, we're telling stories about bars. Bars, watering holes, drinking establishments. Do we still call them watering holes? I just pulled that on my butt. Okay, cool. ⁓ And we're doing that while we have boozy ice cream, obviously. There was no other way to do it.
Gina (00:30)
We do now.
Kathryn (00:41)
Per the chain letter that we accidentally curse ourselves with, since you're listening to this right now, you do have to share with a friend in order to break the curse. Unfortunately, so sorry. Yeah, let's grab a drink.
and take a sip. Cheers.
Gina (00:59)
Cheers, my love.
Kathryn (01:00)
Mine looks gross on camera, I'm so sorry.
Gina (01:03)
Mine looks wildly unhealthy on camera, so don't worry about it.
Kathryn (01:06)
Yours looks delicious. What are you drinking for this month?
Gina (01:08)
So,
I'm drinking a grasshopper, which technically does not have ice cream in it the normal sense, but it involves both ice and cream. I'm going avante-garde for July. What about you?
Kathryn (01:19)
True. Hold
on, let me take my Lactaid
Gina (01:25)
Mm.
Kathryn (01:25)
my drink has a scoop of Rainbow Sherbet It has seriously melted, so it looks gross on screen. Yeah, it is champagne and Rainbow Sherbet
Gina (01:39)
⁓
Kathryn (01:40)
So it's a float, a sherbet float.
Gina (01:40)
that's great summer drink.
Kathryn (01:43)
So good, yes. I could not decide. I was between like five different things and all of them sounded good, but none of them sounded like anything I wanted to put. There's a lot of blending going on, which I'm like, that's fine, but I'm not a huge blended drink person. And then, I don't know, it just clicked one day. I was like, what about just a sherbet float? Those are delicious.
Gina (01:57)
Mm.
I
love floats. I haven't had a float in so long.
Kathryn (02:09)
So that's why I did.
We do floats in the summertime. Like we'll do like the iced mug and I always get orange soda and vanilla ice cream and he obviously does root beer. Yeah. So good. It's so good on like a hot, hot, hot mid July. Yeah.
Gina (02:17)
Mmm.
Such a nostalgic thing.
That's what I was just thinking. Like the muggy, humid, you feel like you're walking through hot maple syrup
and you can just have this cold, crisp...
⁓ we have something exciting.
Kathryn (02:44)
We do have something exciting. I was very excited when I read this in the notes and I was like, yeah, duh guess I already knew this. You and I are going to see each other in a few short months. In physical person, flesh, yes.
Gina (02:54)
We get to see, like physically in person, we get to hang out. Yes,
yes. When was the last time we hung out in person? Me neither. ⁓ I remember. I was in Chicago for my sister's wedding last May and you and Phil came down for a day.
Kathryn (03:03)
I have no clue. I literally cannot remember, because it was... Do you?
that's right. See, that's
why I couldn't remember it because I keep thinking it was my birthday. But I was like, that feels so long ago. It wasn't. It's because we weren't at one of our homes. So I just forget it. It was like a day trip, Yeah, Yeah, we get to see each other for a whole week.
Gina (03:19)
That's what I keep thinking too.
Yeah. Yeah, it was like you guys came to Chicago and we just kind of walked around, went to a diner, got drinks, and then said our goodbyes.
Kathryn (03:39)
⁓ It'll be here in November. really wanna talk about it very much because I'm gonna get too excited and we're not gonna get to this episode. We just talk about hanging out, exactly. But yeah, stay tuned. We will have some fun things for you all when we're in person.
Gina (03:39)
Mm-hmm.
That's gonna be the whole episode 37. We get to hang out.
Nope.
Yes, we'll have some fun
surprises. ⁓ Yeah, probably worth mentioning, we're hanging out in November, whatever comes from that probably will not be in the world until December. So probably not spooky season by the time you hear it, but we're gonna be bringing the spooky season energy, which we do 24 seven anyway. Yeah, yeah, so whatever.
Kathryn (04:11)
⁓ yeah.
It's always spooky season.
Even without this podcast. Always spooky season, especially when we're together, because we are terrifying. RIP to anyone who encounters us. Yeah, let's roll through. I love this. Yeah, tell me.
Gina (04:19)
Yeah, true. True.
Extremely so, yeah. Speaking of terrifying things, have, yes, I have a podcast recommendation. So
as you know, Kathryn I've been going on kind of like a witch journey. Like I'm trying to figure out, okay, what does my practice look like? Where do I feel the most drawn? What can I learn about? What's out there? And I received a recommendation for a podcast called Witch.
Kathryn (04:41)
Mm-hmm.
Love this so much for you.
Gina (04:54)
by BBC Radio 4. available on Spotify. It's a limited series. I want to say, it's like maybe 15 episodes. I don't want to get that wrong. Let me look it up real quick.
Kathryn (04:56)
god.
Okay. I love those BBC ⁓ production.
Gina (05:11)
Me too.
Yes. Okay, yeah, so it's, yeah, 13 episodes, obviously. Spooky 13. And it's hosted by the most amazing woman. Her name is India Rakusen And she just goes through, and the whole premise of it is like, what does it mean to be a witch today? And so she has, the episode that I just listened to was the Midwives and Healers episode, where she digs into the history of like,
Kathryn (05:17)
obviously.
⁓ I would love to listen to that.
Gina (05:39)
women who are midwives being accused of being witches and you know, is that actually true or is that just something we tell ourselves about the witch trials? She also has an episode on magic and whether you know, whether or not it's quote real and how it works and how people have used it throughout history and it's just phenomenal. It's, I have been blasting my way through it because it's so good, but I highly, highly recommend if you even have a tiny little interest in witchcraft, modern or otherwise.
Kathryn (05:46)
Mmm, interesting.
Gina (06:08)
Give it a listen. It's very good.
Kathryn (06:09)
That's fun, that sounds interesting.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to check it out. I should just add that to my list right now. Otherwise, I'll forget the name, even though it's very straightforward.
Speaking of weird things, I hear you have a story for me.
Gina (06:24)
I don't know who told you that, but they're right. I do have a story for you. ⁓ I will say this is one of the stories that feels like gossip. So I'm excited to tell you about it. It was also one of those episodes where I had to draw a line in the sand of researching it. I was researching it literally up until yesterday when I finished writing what this episode is actually going to be. Because there's just so much out there and there are so many fucking rabbit holes you can go down.
Kathryn (06:26)
Excellent.
Ooh, okay.
Gina (06:51)
The whole thing is very dramatic. ⁓ So this week I'm taking us back to England because I am who I am. I have no further thoughts. Yeah, sorry. Oops, sorry. made a mistake that was not a mistake. It was very intentional.
Kathryn (06:54)
you
Shocker. Whoops. Welcome back.
Gina (07:07)
So, literally had five sips of my cocktail and I'm like, woohoo! ⁓ yes, okay.
Maria Marten
Trigger warning, this is serious. I'm going to be talking about murder, including the death of children. If you don't wanna hear that right now, totally get it. will also warn you ahead of time, there are,
Kathryn (07:08)
you
Gina (07:24)
Is a bar in this story technically a pub? But it's not a story about a bar, it's just a story with a bar in it. I was getting all nervous about breaking the rules and then I remembered that we make the rules, so whatever. Whatever, welcome to bar month, we're kind of doing our best Okay, okay, I'm gonna get started. So back in the 1800s, there was this chick named Maria.
Kathryn (07:40)
Yeah, there are literally no rules.
Yay!
Gina (07:53)
And Maria lived in a small farming village called Polstead, where it was like everyone knew everyone vibes. We've had a couple of stories like this in the past, just like everyone was in each other's business. Everyone paid attention. They knew what was going on, was like this tiny, quiet, obscure little place that nobody had ever heard about. And Maria was born there on July 24, 1801. She was a Leo.
which is our rising signs, that's nice. And she grew up in a working class family. Her dad was a mole catcher, which is exactly what it sounds like.
Kathryn (08:31)
Immediately, yes. I love it. ⁓
Gina (08:33)
It's caught some moles. And this was
a time of pretty strict hierarchies in the UK. Like there's still a lot of classism that goes on over here. But back then it was even more prevalent. And Maria's family was kind of one of the lower rungs on the ladder, if you know what I mean. We don't know an extensive amount about Maria's childhood, but we do know she had a bit of a colorful relationship with men.
And by the time she was in her early 20s, she had had two children out of wedlock. Her first child, ⁓ I know, just wait, dude, this whole story is just wild. Her first kid was with a guy named Thomas Corder And their relationship was not great. Thomas came from a landowning family, so he was quote, above Maria from a social perspective. So it was one of those like, I'll sleep with you, but we have to keep it a secret.
Kathryn (09:06)
⁓ my.
Okay, wow.
Gina (09:29)
situations, which like, fuck you. And it was all like Maria was fine with it until she got pregnant. And then it became kind of hard to hide. Unfortunately, the baby did not survive its infancy. And the dad, Thomas, died shortly after it was born while attempting to walk across a frozen pond.
Kathryn (09:29)
Yeah. Okay.
BLEH
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
We've talked about this before on the podcast. Hmm. Sad.
Gina (09:52)
Yeah, we totally have. Yeah, one of my biggest fears. So pretty soon after
he died, Maria went looking for some comfort and she found it in the arms of a guy named Peter. Peter was also part of a landowning family. ⁓ Fun fact, his sister was Maria's family's landlord. So there was like some interesting power dynamics there. And when Maria got pregnant this time, the kid did survive, but Peter
Kathryn (10:13)
Mmm.
Yeah.
Gina (10:22)
refused to marry Maria. Instead, he just paid child support to the tune of 20 pounds per year, which in today's money is about two and a half thousand pounds or like just north of three thousand dollars. Not a whole lot.
Kathryn (10:35)
⁓ Can
you remind me what your... is taking place? You said it. Okay.
Gina (10:40)
This is 1800, so like 1820s is
where we're mostly gonna be spending our time. My favorite period of history.
Kathryn (10:47)
You do. Yeah, you do tell a lot of stories in like mid 1800s.
Gina (10:52)
The
1800s are great, man.
Kathryn (10:54)
Okay, sure, why not? You heard it here first, folks. I just feel like 1800s are like a lost time. I'm like, I have no idea what goes on. Like, I believe anything you say. Yeah, I don't know. Mm-hmm, they were. I feel like it was a transition period between like super old, old, old time and like modern time.
Gina (10:55)
I mean, except for all the horrible things that were happening and, you know, all that awful stuff.
It was wacky. 1800s were fucking wacky, yeah.
It was, yeah, because it was, I think, I'm getting this right, I think the Enlightenment was like ⁓ 1700s. And so when you got into the 1800s, like people had kind of moved away from a purely religious mode of thinking and creation when it comes to art. And they were focusing on things like secularism, like satire was born around this time, probably like within that century, not around that time. But just all these cool, fun things were happening, ⁓ except for in this story, which.
Kathryn (11:27)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Gina (11:50)
A lot of bad things happen. Anyway, back to the tragedy. Still a great story. ⁓ So yes, her relationship with Peter kind of ended there. So by this point, Maria is about 23 or 24 years old. She has two births by two different guys, one living child, and no husband, which I do kind of want to land on that situation for a sec, because as hard as that sounds now, it was even worse back then.
Kathryn (11:52)
But it's still a great story. Don't go anywhere. Okay.
Gina (12:20)
for a few different reasons. First off, society was really conservative about things like sex before marriage, particularly when it came to women. And there was a massive stigma attached to it. Having a kid out of wedlock was a really, really bad look, which extra sucks when you live in a society where a woman's power is in many ways just defined by their reputation and also who they were married to.
So maybe I'll take back what I said about loving the 1800s. Parts of this were really shit. You do get some interesting stories out of it, But anyway, back then, if you had a negative reputation and no husband, you were kind of shit out of luck. The second thing that sucks about this is that back then, you could actually be brought up on charges for having too many kids out of wedlock.
Kathryn (12:50)
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Gina (13:11)
It was literally called Bastardy.
Kathryn (13:13)
That's weird. I never knew... Is there like a magic number or is it relative? Or like, do you know? Okay.
Gina (13:20)
I think it's relative. the reason I
think it's relative is because, like the reason why you would get prosecuted for it is because local funds were used in part to support families that had children out of wedlock. So if you had too many, it was like a, are draining the local economy thing. So I would assume that it depends on where you are.
Kathryn (13:36)
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay, interesting.
Gina (13:46)
Yeah. And that does come back later. So just, this is the world we are operating in. All right, back to the story.
Maria’s Relationship With Will Corder
So you remember the first guy that Maria got with, that Thomas guy that fell through the ice? Well, a few years after he died, after the whole Peter thing was over, Maria started hooking up with Thomas's brother.
Kathryn (13:59)
Mm-hmm.
my goodness, okay. It's one of those. Ah, yeah.
Gina (14:09)
My god, Maria. I had the same reaction. Yeah.
So Thomas's brother's name was William Corder. And he was a little bit younger than Maria when they got together. He was around 22. She was like 24-ish. And just like his brother, Will was also a bit above Maria when it came to society. But he also had kind of a bad reputation. He was a ladies man. And he was one of those guys who
views laws as friendly suggestions rather than rules. And when he was in school, fun fact, his nickname was Foxy, not because he was hot, but because he was sly and clever, like a fox, and crafty. Yeah, so he had forged checks in the past. He'd been involved with stealing livestock. He had once tried to fraudulently sell his dad's own pigs. Like, just not a great guy. Definitely bad boy vibes.
Kathryn (14:52)
Makes sense, yeah.
Yeah.
Gina (15:08)
He had actually, he had been sent away from Polstead for a while because he was just too much of a little delinquent, but he came back when his brother died. And just after that, his dad and his other brothers would go on to die within like 18 months, which left Will to run the farm with his mom and his remaining sisters. And around this time is when we think he linked up with Maria. We don't know for sure.
Kathryn (15:24)
wow.
Gina (15:35)
because it was a teeny tiny town. They had probably known each other like their whole lives. They could have shacked up whenever, but this is when we're like, okay, this is when they like totally got together kind of thing. So Will also wanted to keep their relationship a secret, but Maria didn't want that. She was done playing all of those games. She wanted to get married. And when she got pregnant again, the pressure really got put on Will.
Kathryn (15:45)
Yeah.
Gina (16:01)
She wound up giving birth to their child in 1827 when she was 25 years old. Unfortunately, this child died as well. Maria and Will told family members that they had buried the body about 10 miles out of town. And this is where we get our first big rumor in this story. So later on, whispers would start circulating that this child hadn't died of natural causes.
because no records of the child's burial have ever been found. And when people went to the place where Maria and Will said they buried the child, there were no traces of a grave anywhere. Like no, like, churned dirt or whatever, no markers, no headstones, just like nothing. It was just compacted soil the way you would see as if nothing had happened to it. So they might have killed this child to avoid Maria being prosecuted.
Kathryn (16:51)
Hmm.
Gina (16:59)
for having another kid out of wedlock.
Kathryn (17:03)
⁓
Gina (17:04)
There is more to this bit of the story, but I'm going to save that for later because I don't want to give too much away. Despite whatever happened here, Maria was very much still on the marriage bandwagon. And by this point, it kind of seemed like maybe Will was starting to come around to the idea. That summer, they were hanging out with Maria's stepmom, who, by the way, it was only like a little bit.
older than Maria. One of the sources I found said she was one year older than Maria. One source said 10. Either way gross. Yeah, just like, I'm really regretting saying I like the 1800s. I'm gonna have a sip of my drink. I'm not signing off on it.
Kathryn (17:35)
Yeah.
Listen, it's not like things were better, like in
other periods throughout history, okay? Like, each century has...
Gina (17:50)
If I was the CEO of the 1800s,
it would have all been different.
Kathryn (17:55)
You know what? We believe you.
Will’s proposal
Gina (17:56)
But yeah, anyway, they were hanging out with Maria's stepmom. And Will told Maria that she should meet him at the Red Barn later, which was about a half a mile or just under a kilometer away from where Maria lived. So she met him there. And Will said that he had heard rumors that local officials were planning to prosecute her because of all of the illegitimate kids.
And his solution was, why don't we finally get married? Like, let's elope to Ipswich, which is like 15 miles slash 24 kilometers away. And Maria was like, fuck yeah, let's do it. I've been wanting to marry you for a while. Green light, let's go. So they planned to leave like shortly after this conversation, but their trip just kept getting delayed and delayed, not for anything interesting, just like boring family reasons, like random little shit that makes you stay in town.
But on May 18th, 1827, Will showed up at Maria's place and said that there was a constable with a warrant and they couldn't wait any longer. So Maria kind of hemmed and hawed about leaving for a sec because it was the middle of the day and so her argument was like, if I leave now, people will see me going and it'll make it easier for the constable to find me because it's like middle of the day, there's nowhere to hide. Will says,
it'll be fine. Just put on some men's clothing. I'll carry your stuff to the barn. You can change back into your normal clothes there, and then we'll head off from there, because it's a little bit more remote. So whatever. ⁓ Will leaves to go to the barn. Maria follows like 15 minutes later, and that was the last time she was seen alive.
Kathryn (19:45)
⁓ no.
Maria’s disappearance
Gina (19:47)
After this, Will disappeared from Polstead for a few days. And when he came back, he told people that Maria was staying with one of his friends in Ipswich. He said that they hadn't gotten married yet, but he was working on getting a marriage license, so pretty soon they would be man and wife. And when people asked, okay, why didn't you bring her back with you? Like, that's a little bit weird. He said that, ⁓ he couldn't.
because they're as good as married now and because she was below him, his family would be really mad if they came back together. And people were immediately like, that's dumb. Where the fuck is Maria, Will? Like they just weren't buying it. And they kept asking and asking and asking. And eventually the pressure on Will got so intense that he ran away again, like he fled. While he was gone,
Kathryn (20:26)
Yeah.
Gina (20:40)
He wrote letters to Maria's family saying that they had moved to the Isle of Wight together. And he kind of wrote back and forth with Maria's family for a while. And her family started asking, why isn't Maria the one sending us these letters? And he comes up with every excuse in the fucking book. He's like, ⁓ she's sick. She's hurt her hand.
She did write a letter to you, but it must have gotten lost in the mail, like on and on and on. He had a million excuses for why Maria was not actually contacting her family. And pretty soon, he just stopped writing altogether. So this whole thing was suspicious as fuck. And people recognized that. Everyone knew it.
Dreams about the Red Barn
Around this time, Maria's stepmom started talking about these dreams she was having.
Kathryn (21:16)
My god. What the F?
Yeah.
Gina (21:31)
that Maria hadn't gone away with Will. She dreamed that Maria had been killed in the Red Barn. And I think I remember reading that this took place over a series of like three dreams about this. So kind of Greenbrier Ghost vibes a little bit.
Kathryn (21:44)
Okay. I was
gonna say, honestly, so I started thinking of Greenbrier Ghost when you were talking about the bad boy. Which one was that, Peter?
Gina (21:53)
Will is the bad boy.
Kathryn (21:55)
Well, yeah, I thought I would say you have Greenbrier Ghost then too. This is... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gina (21:59)
Trout, yeah.
I forgot he was also a bad boy. That's why you shouldn't get together with a bad boy unless they're secretly a good boy.
Kathryn (22:05)
Mm-hmm.
Just follow your heart.
Gina (22:09)
Unless it's with a guy named Will Corder. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself.
So Maria's stepmom said that the dreams were intense and very convincing. And so on April 19th, 1828, she convinced Maria's dad to go to the barn with her and just have a little look around. So he got his special mole catching shovel, which apparently is a thing, and off they went.
Discovery of the body
When they got there, they started kind of going through the barn. And specifically, they dug around in a grain storage bin where they found the remains of a young woman buried in a sack. The body was pretty decomposed by this point, but there were enough identifying factors there to be like, shit, is this Maria? Could this be Maria? So Maria's dad immediately calls the authorities.
and they decide to hold an inquest to figure out A, is this person Maria, and B, how did this person die? And they decided to conduct this inquest in a pub.
Kathryn (23:21)
Classic.
Inquest at The Cock Inn
Gina (23:22)
Specifically a place in Polstead called the Cock Inn, which I'm not going to make any comments about and it still stands to this day. You can still go there. I frequent the Cock Inn myself. Nope. It was a sex joke. Same page. But yeah, you can still go there. I have some pictures of it. put up.
Kathryn (23:27)
⁓ okay.
nice as we will as we should as we're going to do you ⁓ damn okay got it all right late to the party on that one sorry
Gina (23:51)
I want to go there, it's on my list now. ⁓ And I know I do want to talk about the fact that it is weird that they took her to a pub, but villages that tiny didn't have like a civic center building or something like that where they could easily do these things. And a pub like this was easy to get to, everyone knew where it was. And so it was just like, let's do it in the pub, there's plenty of space there, it'll be easy.
Kathryn (23:52)
Okay. Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Gina (24:19)
And it was here that Maria's sister formally identified her body. She recognized her dress and also Maria had been missing a few teeth, which was consistent with the teeth that were missing on the body. Maria also had a green handkerchief tied very tightly around her neck, which was recognized as belonging to William fucking Corder.
Hmm. The cause of death was a little bit harder to figure out because of the state of the body was such that it could have been a few different things. There was a wound on the face that could have been a stab wound and they couldn't rule out strangulation because of the whole handkerchief thing. But also there were gunshot wounds and there were additional stab wounds on the neck and hands. So all in all,
They weren't sure what killed her, but this was enough to know that she had been murdered by someone. So they engaged a local constable to start looking into this. And Will was suspect number one, as he fucking should.
Kathryn (25:19)
Mm-hmm.
Gina (25:30)
Now, as you can imagine, I feel like we've talked about this before. It wasn't very easy to find people back then. We didn't have things like satellites and phones and credit cards. Like you just have open country. He could be anywhere. And it blows my mind that like police officers back then were even able to do this sort of thing. Fucking wild.
Kathryn (25:48)
I, it's,
this like keeps me up at night. I don't know how anyone was ever found, ever. I don't know how things were ever solved. Like legitimately.
Gina (25:56)
It must have been the most stressful
job.
Kathryn (25:58)
Yeah, I just, I don't know. I don't know how anyone did anything at all.
Gina (26:04)
Me neither.
Anyway, yeah, I have no fucking clue. We're all very impressed.
The hunt for Will Corder
But yeah, so to get around this, the constable teamed up with a London-based police officer to track down Will. Another fun fact, that police officer that he teamed up with would eventually go on to lead the investigation into Spring Heel Jack, which we talked about in the Hammersmith Ghost Panic episode. That's a funny world, yeah.
Kathryn (26:06)
Anyway, no clue. Beats me.
⁓ Yeah, we did. You're gonna
have to talk about, you're gonna have to do an episode on Spring Heel Jack.
Gina (26:35)
I know, I really, I was listening to a different podcast cover Spring Heel Jack recently and I was like, yeah, we need to fucking, we need to do it. I will, I'll do it at some point. Eventually, they were able to figure out where Will was, you ready for this? You're not gonna like it, because he had taken out a lonely hearts ad in the paper.
Kathryn (26:41)
Yeah.
hate it. What?
Gina (27:00)
Do you want to hear some of it?
Kathryn (27:03)
What the
fuck? Obviously I want to hear some of it. What the fuck? What? He what? Jesus.
Gina (27:04)
Okay, mm-hmm.
It was originally written in language that kind of made my eyes glaze over a little bit. So this is the paraphrased, more modern version of it. A private gentleman, age 24, financially independent and blessed with a great personality, is looking for a respectable property-owning lady who wants to build a cozy domestic life, but he'll let you keep your property.
Kathryn (27:14)
Okay.
Gina (27:32)
How fucking gracious of him. The gentleman has recently lost the head of his family and things at home have gotten a bit intense, but he would rather not get into the messy details. He's ready to settle down and promises to be tender and kind. Only serious replies welcome
Kathryn (27:50)
Okay, I'm sorry for interrupting because that's what I was just gonna say when it reminds me of like dating profiles where guys are like, ⁓ I'm so cool and jacked and rich no hoes. Like, you know what I mean? or like, basic bitches don't message me or like, like don't swipe right or whatever. That's what that's the energy that's bringing.
Gina (28:04)
Yeah! ⁓
Yeah.
I wanna, yeah,
I'm trying to cast my mind back to my dating app because there was some cringy shit.
Kathryn (28:20)
That's why I'm struggling
with the there is like a, if you're still on the apps, let us know what the exact because there is a specific way that they say it. That's like such an eye roll. And also, if you come across those, don't swipe right. They're such assholes. Send them to us. But don't swipe right. guys like that are such jerks. I hate people like that. What a douche.
Gina (28:30)
Yeah.
No, take a screenshot and send it to us, but don't swipe right. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was very, but surprisingly
he got a ton of replies to it. Records kind of vary on like how many replies, but at least I think 49.
Kathryn (28:56)
gross.
Gina (28:57)
Gross. He also ended that ad by providing an address where people could reach him.
Kathryn (29:03)
This man's on the run? From the fucking law? Jesus. All right, well, I take it back. I know how people were found now. You're frickin' idiots!
Gina (29:05)
He's on the run. Mm-hmm. He took it. He... ⁓
Yeah, they were fucking they
were horny and they took ads out in the paper about it. That's how they got found Anyway, so by the time they tracked him down he had already married one of the women who responded to this ad
Kathryn (29:19)
Bye, Zach.
Gina (29:29)
Same reaction, dude. Yep.
Will gets caught!
So they picked him up at a place called Everly Grove House, which some sources said that it was a women's boarding house. Some said it was a girls' school, which is even grosser. Both of them I hate. Either way, he was running this new place with his new wife, Mary.
Kathryn (29:30)
Okay, that's obnoxious.
Yeah.
Gina (29:51)
this police officer knew that if Will saw them coming, he would just run again. So he didn't go in guns blazing. He was smart about it.
Kathryn (29:57)
Mm-hmm.
Gina (30:01)
He went to the house and pretended that he wanted to board his own daughter there. So of course, he was welcomed in. He was shown to the parlor where he found a few ladies having breakfast alongside one William Corder Police officer pulled will to the side and informed him that he was charged with the murder of Maria Marten Will said, I don't even know who that is.
Police officer said, let's try that again. Did you know her? Will said, nope. Police officer said, last chance. Did you know Maria Marten? Will said, no. So the police officer, quote, brought him down and had him committed. I don't know exactly what that means, but I like the imagery.
Kathryn (30:29)
Ew.
⁓ that's intense.
Gina (30:52)
Mm-hmm.
I know. Yeah, I think they were just holding him somewhere while they searched the house. And while they were searching the house, they found two pistols, a passport, and letters that suggested that someone had tipped off Will, that Maria's body had been found. So all of those things put together, Will was getting ready to run again by the time that they found him. By this point, they had everything they needed to put this guy on trial.
Kathryn (30:58)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Gina (31:23)
Real quick, in between the time Maria's body was found and when the trial actually started, the press got a hold of this whole thing and society latched onto this case like crazy. The nature of the crime combined with really sensational press coverage, combined with the fact that this was a time where literacy rates were on their way up, meant that people just latched onto this thing. They went nuts about it, they were invested in it, they were talking about it.
They were doing puppet shows about this thing. Everyone totally thought Will was guilty. In fact, back then they had this thing called broadsides, which were just one-page little tabloids. And one specific broadside about this case sold over a million copies in the 1800s. It's a lot.
Kathryn (31:58)
Mm-hmm.
Wow, that's a lot.
that's a
lot. Wow.
Gina (32:14)
They were even putting on plays about this in the back room of pubs. Another bar tie-in. That's like, it's a very British thing. I don't know if it's a London thing or a British thing, but they do like little mini plays in like the back room of a pub. I have been to one and they are very fun. So they did that with this story. And it's good fun because you get to drink while you watch it, which you also get to do at normal plays, but getting up to go to the bathroom sucks during normal plays. At a pub, it's much easier.
Kathryn (32:21)
Wow.
that sounds fun.
Yeah, that's a lot more fun. I feel like the closest comparison would be like a small dinner theater type thing here.
Gina (32:49)
Yeah.
The Trial of Will Corder
So public interest in this case was so intense that they made people get tickets to be allowed in the courtroom. And even then, the judge reportedly had a hard time getting to his seat because he had to wade through the crowds of people. Like the fucking judge couldn't get to his little judge stool or whatever they sit on. I don't know if there's an official name, Judge Throne.
Kathryn (32:58)
Whoa.
and either judge throne That's gotta be it.
Gina (33:15)
The trial itself
officially started on the 7th of August, 1828 with Will entering a plea of not guilty. much one of the first issues they ran into setting up this trial is that again, they don't really know how Maria was actually killed. The formal accusation was that Will had killed Maria by shooting her with a pistol and stabbing her.
But just to be on the safe side, they also indicted him on nine other counts along similar lines. It was like a, if we can't find you guilty of killing her this way, maybe you killed her that way, kind of thing. When it came time for the witnesses, Maria's stepmom gave testimony about the day that Maria had disappeared, and she spoke about the dreams that had led her to the body. It is worth noting the dreams didn't technically count as evidence, she just did mention them in the trial.
Kathryn (34:10)
Mm-hmm.
Gina (34:10)
Maria's
10 year old brother took the stand and he said that he had seen Will with a pistol shortly before the murder and that he had seen him walking away from the barn with a pickaxe after the fact. We would later find out that the pickaxe was used to dig the hole in the grain where Maria's body was found. A constable from Polstead also spoke about the hole, like were you about to arrest Maria for having kids illegitimately or outside of marriage or whatever?
Kathryn (34:23)
Yikes.
Gina (34:40)
And he said that he had never even had a warrant for it, let alone told Will that he had a warrant for it. So that dismantles Will's whole, need to leave before they catch you shit. Like it's looking more and more, he just straight up lied. Like it's looking more and more like he trapped her in this situation intentionally.
Kathryn (34:51)
So he just started to blide.
Damn.
Gina (34:58)
Yeah. One of their neighbors told a story about how after Maria had died, but before they all knew that she was dead, like before the body was found, this neighbor had been having a conversation with Will one day about kids for some reason. Like it just came up in conversation. And Will said that Maria would never have a child again. Neighbor was like, ⁓ you can't know that. Like she might. You never know. And Will said,
I will be dead if she'll have any more.
Kathryn (35:30)
EW.
Gina (35:31)
Yeah, the prosecution stance was that Will had never intended to marry Maria, but because she knew so much about his criminal history, she had a lot of power over him, which Will didn't like. So killing Maria was basically his way of getting out of the whole marriage situation without risking her tattling on him in revenge.
Stupid and dumb and we hate it.
Kathryn (35:56)
What the fuck? Yeah.
Gina (35:57)
So then Will takes the stand and he gave this long flowery speech about how he had known Maria and he had been at the barn that day, but Maria had actually killed herself after Will said that he wouldn't marry her. he said that he had been so surprised and afraid by it that he had buried her without going for help or letting anyone know what had happened.
Kathryn (36:21)
Okay.
Gina (36:22)
Mm-hmm, the things your face is doing. Absolutely, yes, me too. And it's bullshit for a few different reasons, outside of it just being not fucking true, but it's extra fucked up because back then, suicide was this big offense. So if she had committed suicide, she would have been buried in unhollowed ground and all of her property would have been given to the king. So even in death, he's completely throwing her under the bus and he's trying to fuck her over just to save his own ass. It's reprehensible.
Kathryn (36:46) Yeah.
Gina (36:51)
When it came time for the jury to deliberate, it only took them 35 minutes to come back with a verdict of guilty.
Kathryn (36:59)
good. Okay.
Gina (36:59)
Hooray,
yes. The judge sentenced Will to be hung within the next few days, and afterwards he was to be dissected. We spoke about this a tiny bit in the Hammersmith ghost panic episode. Yeah, back then, like medical colleges often used the bodies of executed criminals for dissection, Will was no exception. So it wasn't like an extra fuck you to Will, it was just kind of standard procedure.
Kathryn (37:11)
Oh yeah, yeah, I always forget. I always forget.
Yeah.
I'm just them being like, let's see what the fuck's going on inside this evil piece of shit. it's like, no, that's literally how science works.
Gina (37:29)
There's gotta be a demon in there.
Will’s confession
Will was put behind bars and shortly before he was taken to be executed, he confessed that he had shot Maria through the eye after an argument killing her. Now cast your mind back to the beginning of this episode where we talked about how they might've killed their own child. In Will's confession,
Kathryn (37:45)
Ugh.
Gina (37:55)
He said that what he and Maria were arguing about that had led him to kill her was that the quote, real grave of their child might be discovered.
take from that what you will. There's not much detail in the confession at all. It's just kind of that and then done. But it's clear to me that for whatever reason, they were hiding something about that kid and Will wanted that secret to die with Maria.
Kathryn (38:21)
God.
Yikes.
Gina (38:24)
Yeah, big yikes.
Just four days after the trial, Will was hung in front of thousands of spectators. His last words were, I am guilty, my sentence is just, I deserve my fate, and may God have mercy on my soul.
which is kind of nice to hear.
Kathryn (38:43)
Yeah, feel like a lot of the stories that make it through...
are like so dramatic You know? I don't know, that's kind of refreshing to know he wasn't a worm all the way to the very end. If that makes sense, I don't know.
Gina (38:50)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And even like
like even if it's so clear from the evidence that someone is guilty, if they go from life to death without confessing, there's always something in my brain that's like, what if, what if somehow we got it wrong? So it's nice when there's a confession because you can be like, okay, we 100 % got the right guy. You for sure did this. We didn't fuck up somewhere. There's not like still a killer out there.
Kathryn (39:10)
I do that, yeah, all the time. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah,
even modern cases when it's like we have DNA evidence and everything is so indisputable and I should not question it at all. They're in jail maintaining their innocence. I'm always like
Gina (39:22)
yeah.
Kathryn (39:31)
Like, I don't know. Yeah. It's like... Yeah. Yeah.
Gina (39:31)
There's like that tiny, tiny part of you like, ⁓ just ⁓ what if, know, tiny what if.
Which I think is good. I think that makes us human.
I think that's a good thing. I think it would be bad if we didn't have that, to be honest.
Kathryn (39:45)
Oh, I'm not sorry about this at all. Yeah, I'm like openly I don't know. But it's because I couldn't do that. I've said this on the podcast before, like I would not be able to maintain my innocence. So when other people don't, I'm like, oh no. Yeah, just knee jerk. I would, I would.
Gina (39:46)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I think your exact words were, I would fold like a broken lawn chair.
Kathryn (40:12)
I can't lie, I really am. I am not, I cannot lie.
Gina (40:12)
It's relatable. Well, neither could Will in the end. After Will was hung, the hangman took his trousers and stockings, which sounds.
Really weird. But apparently back then there was this thing called executioner's rights, which was, basically meant that the executioner had the right to take anything the guilty person brought to the gallows with them. And in this case, trousers and stockings.
What happened to Will Corder’s body?
When they took Will to be dissected, they couldn't examine his brain for some reason. So instead they performed a phrenological examination on his head. Skull, I guess. We have said this on the podcast before, but.
Kathryn (40:33)
yeah.
Gina (40:54)
Just to caveat, phrenology used to be much more common than it is now, but it's basically just a pseudoscience that was used to justify decades, if not centuries of human rights abuses, so grain of salt. It uses the formation and the shape of your skull to make statements about who you are as a person. In this instance, the examination concluded that Will's skull was most developed in the areas corresponding with secrets and destruction.
while being underdeveloped in pretty much all of the areas associated with being a good person.
Kathryn (41:27)
I love the blanket statement of just like, Skull says that he's an asshole.
Gina (41:32)
I know, yeah. And that's why like,
I almost hate when like a phrenology thing, I hate when I agree with it, because I'm like, I don't agree with you as a practice, but in this specific instance, yeah, that guy was a dick, you know?
Kathryn (41:41)
Yeah. Yeah.
Gina (41:44)
Even broken blocks are right twice a day. Isn't that what they say? Broken skulls say shit, right? I don't know. Whatever.
Kathryn (41:51)
Yep,
that's also what they say. Probably someone, you just said it, so it's said. They do say that.
Gina (41:54)
⁓ yeah, I read that on Urban Dictionary. Yeah.
Yeah, so from here on out, there is some gross stuff that happens with his body. So if you don't want to hear about gross stuff, you might just want to skip forward like five minutes. Because they were not done with Will's body just yet. A surgeon named George Creed took Will's skin.
and used it to bind a book about the murder case.
Kathryn (42:27)
I'm sorry. I did not mean to laugh just now. That was not a funny laugh. That was like, wow.
Gina (42:32)
It's wild.
And in 2025, literally this year, they discovered a second book that was also bound with Will's skin.
Kathryn (42:43)
Okay, what was it?
Gina (42:45)
think it was just another copy of the same book. I tried to find that out and I couldn't find anything on it. All I know is that there are two books. It was The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe.
Kathryn (42:48)
Okay. I thought you were gonna say... Okay, okay, I thought you were gonna say it... I literally thought you
were gonna be like, I don't know, someone did some... Like, their grimoire with it or something spooky. Like, it was not about him. Ugh.
Gina (43:06)
This is a signed copy of LeVar Burton's memoir.
Kathryn (43:10)
My god.
Gina (43:11)
The man least likely to use skin to bind a book. Yeah. Okay.
Kathryn (43:16)
It's gross.
Gina (43:17)
Parts of Will's scalp were also displayed in a shop on Oxford Street, which is like the shopping drag in London. It always has huge crowds and it was supposed to be a crowd pleaser thing. Will's skeleton would go on to be exhibited in hospitals, museums, all sorts of places. And at one point it was put in West Suffolk Hospital and they rigged it up so that when someone walked towards it, like they approached it,
Will's skeleton's arm would lift up and point at a donation box.
Kathryn (43:52)
Sorry, hold on. What? This isn't funny, but I'm a little confused. Was this like a normal thing to do with people's bodies or was it because he was like a criminal or something?
Gina (43:55)
Mm-hmm.
and that they...
I know that, I think part of it was that he was a criminal. Part of it was also, in my opinion, the fact that in this era, like Victorian era-ish, they had a really morbid fascination with death and things that had to do with death. And so things like bodies and corpses and skeletons and death in general, wasn't, I don't wanna say as sensitive a topic, but it was certainly more of a part of life.
Kathryn (44:19)
Yeah.
I've just never heard of this vast array of uses for body after death. I don't know. guess I knew the whole research thing. We've talked about that and I just keep forgetting to apply it to the stories. But using it for hospital decor and marketing.
Gina (44:38)
Yeah. Nor have I.
Kathryn (44:52)
campaigns is kind of I'm sorry, but it is a little bit funny to think of like a Halloween skeleton doing that in hospital today. Like that's kind of cute. I'm sorry, it is a little bit cute. But also, like, I understand it's a human body and that makes it morbid and gross.
Gina (45:05)
Yeah.
And that shit kept going. They only cremated his skeleton in 2004.
Kathryn (45:17)
Whoa, okay. What the fuck, where was it?
Gina (45:18)
well over a century.
It just like, was doing the rounds. Like it was ⁓ like hospitals for a while, museums for a while, different people had different parts of it, which we'll talk about in a bit. There's like a thing with his skull that we'll get into. ⁓ Okay, yeah, so that actually is a great transition because that brings me to the rumors section of this story because there are some rumors that we haven't talked about yet. I'm gonna start with the skull one because we were just talking about that. ⁓
Kathryn (45:40)
Okay.
Gina (45:46)
There's a rumor that Will's skull had a curse on it.
Kathryn (45:50)
Okay, I'm listening.
Gina (45:51)
Will Corder’s cursed skull
which we love. At one point, the skull fell into the possession of a doctor who was something of like a collector of memorabilia about this case. And apparently once this doctor brought the skull home, strange fucking shit started happening. He started hearing voices. He started seeing people that weren't there, like ghostly apparitions. And one particular night, he woke up to a very loud sound in the room below him.
So he went to check it out and he found that the cabinet where the skull was had opened on its own. The box containing the skull had been smashed and the skull itself had mysteriously moved across the room of its own volition. This freaked him out so much that he gave the skull to one of his friends, kind of a dick move. And then, yeah, kind of rude. I would not give you a cursed skull.
Kathryn (46:37)
⁓
Yeah.
Thank you.
Gina (46:50)
Yeah, no problem, man. That's what this friendship is, you know what I mean? And then weird things started to happen to his friend, too. Unfortunately, there's not much record on what his friend actually experienced. But apparently, it was so bad that the friend decided to give the skull a Christian burial in an attempt to stop all of the madness. And apparently, it worked. They buried it in hollowed ground, and they were never disturbed again. So that's rumor number one.
Was Will having an affair with Maria’s stepmom?
The second rumor is that Maria's stepmom had actually been having an affair with Will and helped him kill Maria. Yeah. So this rumor goes that after Maria had been killed, Will kind of kept up the pretense of a relationship with the stepmom. Her name was Anna. But as we know, Will eventually married another woman, which according to this made Anna, the stepmom, so jealous.
Kathryn (47:29)
What?
Gina (47:49)
that she started talking about those dreams, she was bullshitting as an excuse to check out the barn, knowing that Will would be blamed once Maria's body was found. Coincidentally, she only started talking about these dreams like a couple of days after Will got married. And this was like a year after Maria went missing. So she might have received a letter from Will saying like, hey, this ends here, I'm married now. And...
That's when she started with the dream stuff.
Kathryn (48:20)
I believe this rumor.
Gina (48:21)
That's a good rumor, isn't it?
Kathryn (48:23)
I believe this rumor because the moment you mentioned her young stepmom, my first thought was, is she sketchy? Do we like her? I don't know. I think she's sketchy. I'm going with this one.
Gina (48:31)
think she's sketchy. A little bit sketchy, yeah.
And one of the big things about the case was earlier when I said, they were hanging, like Will and Maria were hanging out with Maria's stepmom and he verbally asked Maria to meet him at the Red Barn, that was supposed to be a big thing because he and Maria weren't really seen in public together very much, I think. And so it was supposed to be like, we're going to get engaged. Very convenient.
Kathryn (48:41)
you
Gina (49:01)
that the stepmom was the witness for that is all I'll say. I don't know. I don't know. So yes, ⁓
The legacy of Maria Marten
To this day, this case had all of the elements of an absolute media sensation. You have a wronged woman. You have an evil man, supernatural dreams, great detective work, and also a super fucking dramatic trial and aftermath.
Kathryn (49:04)
⁓ yeah. Interesting.
Gina (49:27)
So the story was and still is now kind of a money-making machine. There were ballads written about it. I've already mentioned the plays
Even Charles Dickens wrote about it in a magazine. It was huge. Within a year of the trial, Polstead had an estimated 200,000 visitors. And the Red Barn itself, this is kind of sad. It was basically completely stripped away because people wanted to take home souvenirs. And Will's grave was also chipped away to being basically nothing because people wanted to take parts of it home.
The barn itself burned down at some point, but there is a plaque near the area commemorating the life of Maria Marten. In more modern times, there have been at least five movies made about this case, two radio dramas, and this I thought was very interesting. In 1971, Shirley Collins released a song called Murder of Maria Marten. And in the 2018 movie, The Little Drummer Girl, Florence Pugh sings part of it.
Kathryn (50:34)
⁓ interesting.
Gina (50:34)
Yeah, interesting, right?
These days, you can also see a ton of artifacts from the trial at a museum in Bury St. Edmunds where the trial was held. I think it's called the Moyses Hall Museum, Moyses Moyses, M-O-Y-S-E-S. They have what I think is a replica of Will's death mask. I don't think it's the actual one, but you can get a pretty good idea of what he looks like.
They also have the pistols and they have the book that's bound in his skin amongst a collection of other things.
Kathryn (50:58)
Yeah.
⁓
that's wild.
Gina (51:07)
And that's all I got. That's the whole story.
Kathryn (51:10)
Yeah, I didn't know any of that. I've never heard of this before, ever.
Gina (51:14)
I had never either.
I was just looking for a story about a bar. I found a saga.
Kathryn (51:20)
Yeah, that's what
so yeah, just for my own clarification, the red barn is not a bar in any way, right? It was just okay. Because when when I read that, was like, that's what I've never heard of that. Is it like a barn shaped bar? Like, what is that? No, just literally right back barn. Fascinating.
Gina (51:28)
Mm-mm, mm-mm.
Just a red barn. Yeah,
yeah.
Kathryn (51:43)
Cool.
Listener story from Ashley
Gina (51:44)
kind of hoping that maybe, maybe you have a little something for me. Maybe a little treat.
Kathryn (51:48)
I do. I have a little bitty mini closing surprise for you. We have another very tiny listener story that I don't know if you know about. Yeah, we got one via Instagram so I think you it might have been hidden from you. Yeah, so it's a surprise.
Gina (51:58)
We do? ⁓
⁓ okay. Yeah, no, never check Instagram. Okay, cool.
Kathryn (52:08)
yeah, we got a message from listener Ashley. It says,
just got done watching your video on YouTube about Black Eyed Children and I have a story like the one you tell when you're talking about the little girl you used to nanny. My grandma had passed away about a month before my cousin was going to give birth to her new baby. I got the phone call that she had given birth to my other cousin and I decided to get on a bus to go see her.
I'm sitting there on the bus and I see this older woman. It was my grandmother. I was sitting there shocked and I was like, quote, that's my grandmother. I asked my cousin, do you see her? And she just simply said, yes, confirming that she also saw my grandma sitting there. I looked at her, at the grandmother and I said, I love you. And she looked back at me and said, I love you too. It's going to be a beautiful baby.
Gina (52:40)
⁓
Hmm.
Kathryn (53:05)
Every time
we have a new baby that comes into our family, she always shows up. She's been at every one of my kids' first birthdays, and all my other family members have seen her. Seeing her on that bus that first time was just the weirdest thing ever.
Gina (53:22)
That's beautiful! ⁓ my god, my heart!
Kathryn (53:23)
That's not wild. Can you imagine? Yeah.
How long? Because she said, how long was it? About a month before her cousin gave birth, her grandma died. So that was like, that was probably the first one, right? That would have been the first visit. Yeah.
Gina (53:35)
Yeah.
that's a great... I don't know if that counts as a haunting. That's just lovely.
Kathryn (53:40)
Is that wild?
Yeah. Well, and I love that she showed up on a bus, because haven't we talked about that too? Like, weird hauntings on like a vehicle? Yeah. Yeah. Not like she's haunting the bus, but they can show up anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, I just thought that was lovely.
Gina (53:47)
Yeah. Like haunted modes of transportation. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Oh my God, thank you so much, Ashley. No, but there's a spirit on the bus. Yeah. That reminds me of the
story. We had one about a bus, didn't we, from Chloe. Interesting.
Kathryn (54:09)
From Chloe. Yeah, they reminded me of that.
Certainly that was different, but still.
They can be anywhere. Yeah, I thought that was so sweet. I was like, you have got to let us share this on the podcast. Yeah. So thank you for sending. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you to Ashley for sending. We very much appreciate it. And just as a reminder to everyone listening or watching, she's a YouTube watcher. ⁓ We love your stories and we'd love for you to send. Even if you don't want us to share them on the pod, we just want to hear your stories. ⁓ So yeah, send them over to us via email.
Gina (54:19)
Yeah, that is giving me the warm fuzzies. That feels really good.
Mm hmm.
Or your ⁓
Tinder screenshots slash whatever dating apps we use. Please.
Kathryn (54:47)
your Tinder. Honestly, let's go back to that. That's the new call to action for this episode. If you have any
Tinder screenshots of douche bros doing douche bro shit, let us know. That's a different type of haunting.
Tinder drinking game
Gina (54:57)
What was, ⁓ what was
that drinking game that we used to play? We used to get Tinder on our phones and that was it like we would have to, it was like if you, so we would get Tinder, one of us would like pull it up and then we would swipe through it and you had to drink like every time you saw a guy holding a fish, every time you saw a guy at a gym, was it a make your, okay, okay.
Kathryn (55:07)
Yeah.
You could choose whichever one. Yeah, it's regional. Yeah,
it's regional. Like you could just do whatever you wanted. Ours because we live in frickin Wisconsin. Well, we did. You did. I still do. It was what you just said. Every time a guy was holding a fish, take a drink. Gym is a good like Gym selfie like Gym Mirror Pick was one ⁓ with a dog was one with another like, is she an ex or is she your sister?
Gina (55:34)
with a dog, I think was one.
Yeah. ⁓
Kathryn (55:45)
That was
like a two sips situation. Yeah, highly recommend. We could still play that. that.
Gina (55:48)
Yeah.
Tom
and I did that once. were on a cruise a few years ago and we both downloaded Tinder because cruises are such enclosed spaces that you know everyone who's there. So we were like, let's see, they're fucking dating profiles. And so we just sat at one of the onboard bars for two hours scrolling through and like, yeah.
Kathryn (55:56)
Yeah.
God, that's such a good idea.
I love how you're doing it like in the bar with everyone
like able to see you doing it. That's great. I love that.
Gina (56:15)
It was good fun. Yeah, so if you ever want a quick way to get drunk, that's a great game.
Kathryn (56:20)
yeah, we used to start the night with that. Yeah, good times. Cool. Well, yeah, thank you all for tuning in. Thank you for the story. I'm very excited for bar month. We've got a lot of fun stories coming up and I'm excited to keep drinking ice cream. ⁓ So yeah, until next time, little spoons, keep it cool.
Gina (56:23)
Yeah, we did. Memories. Anyway. ⁓
Me too.
Keep it creepy.
