84: Alton Towers
Gina (01:05)
Yeah. Wait, hold on. Okay, now I'm ready, sorry. I know. Okay, now I'm ready.
Kathryn (01:08)
I feel like we always do this to each other. It's always the one not introducing that's like, wait.
welcome to I Scream You Scream. We are your weekly scoop of the most chilling histories, mysteries, and paranormal perplexities. My name is Kathryn
Gina (01:28)
I'm Gina.
Kathryn (01:29)
And for the month of June, we are telling stories about amusement parks while we eat churro flavored ice cream. This episode is sponsored by Clobear Money Coach. So if you are ready to start investing, but unsure exactly how to get started, go ahead and visit getlazynow.com. But until then, grab a spoon and let's dig in.
Gina (01:52)
Last full episode of Amusement Park Month.
Kathryn (01:53)
I was just gonna say our last day with the are
we raiding our ice cream today?
Gina (01:57)
I think we should because for next week's palette cleanser I imagine we're drinking.
Kathryn (02:03)
Yeah, as is the way. Yeah. ⁓ you had an actual churro ice cream. Do you have a rating for it? Do you wanna go first?
Gina (02:05)
As is tradition. Okay. All right, yeah.
I do. And I'll caveat this with I'm feeling particularly harsh today. I'm gonna give it a two.
Kathryn (02:17)
⁓ okay.
no Why?
Gina (02:21)
Yeah,
it's it's genuinely just because I prefer just a normal just a churro better than churro ice cream. And every time I eat this I wish I just had a churro. It is good though, do recommend. Ben and Jerry's ⁓ does it again tasty, but nah. I wouldn't buy it again.
Kathryn (02:28)
Mm-hmm. ⁓ sure. Yeah.
Okay. That's fair. As someone who had a churro last night, ⁓ I'm feeling generous. ⁓ today it's just vanilla ice cream with cinnamon sugar and chocolate sauce throughout the month. I've been working my way through that whiskey ice cream. Also a vanilla base, so like not that different.
Gina (02:44)
About you.
Yeah.
Kathryn (03:04)
I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a four. I would for sure I would do this again if I was if we just had vanilla ice cream for some reason and I needed to zhuzh it up. Yeah, it was good. not as good as a churro, of course, but like what is, you know? Yeah.
Gina (03:19)
Nothing is. You make a good point.
You do make a good point. All right. Are we announcing what next month is today, or do want to save that for the palette cleanser?
Kathryn (03:29)
let's save it for the palette cleanser. Leave them wanting more. Come back next time.
Gina (03:31)
Save it for the palate cleanser. Alright. Yeah.
now that that's out of the way, I have some exciting news for you. I learned about a very cute new baby animal this last week. I'm gonna send you a picture. It's called an aardwolf. my god, it's so cute. An aardwolf A A R D wolf. Send you a picture.
Kathryn (03:37)
Tell me.
Ugh. I love it when you do this to me. An ardwolf?
Gina (03:51)
It's like if a zebra and a hyena had a baby.
Mm-hmm.
Kathryn (03:56)
Like genuinely
no notes.
Gina (03:59)
Is it not the cutest little guy?
Kathryn (04:00)
You know how you
know how people say they have two wolves inside of them? This is what I have inside of me. This and like a fairy are what the inside of my brain look like. Yeah, no I'm obsessed with this. That's beautiful. It looks like it's wearing a little diaper.
Gina (04:11)
Artwolf and a fairy. yeah, that is true. That is true. ⁓ it's so cute.
Yeah, so ⁓ how to share with you.
Kathryn (04:23)
Yeah, no that's great. H why do you know about all these
random animals?
Gina (04:29)
It's partially because my mom works at a zoo and also partially because my feed is just ninety percent baby animals because I love them so much.
Kathryn (04:32)
⁓ yeah.
Mm.
Okay, that's fair.
Gina (04:41)
I actually have another cute baby animal if you wanna if we wanna keep this train rolling. a South American bush dog.
Kathryn (04:44)
Okay, sure, why not? Yeah, why not?
⁓ yeah. I don't know if I know that one.
Gina (04:49)
I'll send you a pi because they're so cute.
It's okay, so this one is like if a bear was a puppy.
Kathryn (05:00)
my god, how hard would that be to like not try to kidnap that in the wild? ⁓ okay. That literally looks like if my dog was a bear. Doesn't it? It's totally shaped like spooky. That's so funny. ⁓ yeah. That looks like my fat dog. ⁓ Okay, yeah, that's good. I like that.
Gina (05:03)
Ho ho ho ho Right.
It does, yeah, spooky vibes, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. With like the low belly and everything. Yeah, short low legs. I wasn't calling it fat,
I just meant he has short low legs.
Kathryn (05:27)
No, Spooky's fat as hell. I call him fat dog.
He's my well fat dog. You should see him when he's like plopped on the cat. I'll share a picture of it with you sometime. He's like completely cylindric cylindrical. Like he's so fat. He did lose a pound and the vet was like happy with me about it, but he could use a c like he could lose a few more.
Gina (05:43)
Ha ha ha.
boy with his snacks, I do miss spooks.
Kathryn (05:54)
⁓ yeah, he's he loves he loves a snack.
Gina (05:57)
Hey, preaching to the choir, my man.
Kathryn (05:59)
Yeah,
it's mama's boy.
Gina (06:02)
Speaking of snacks, I have more exciting news for you that I I just keep coming up with things. So Tom and I went to the grocery store today and I guess it's it's w it's a grocery store around here that like they do seasonal, like imported products from other countries. And it's Lidl. I can't remember if we have Lidl back at home. They're doing an American food section.
Kathryn (06:04)
Okay.
Okay.
Mm-mm.
Gina (06:24)
The and one of my least favorite things about like grocery stores in the UK is that their American sections are not actually things that you get in America. They're like off brand Pop Tarts and like d jars of hot dogs and some nebulous liquid. Like, I don't know, it's just gross stuff. Yeah, yep. But this place had legit Americ like I got Mike and Ikes haven't had Mike and Ikes in years. I miss Mike and Ikes they have those
Kathryn (06:25)
God.
That's what I was gonna say. Yeah.
Hot dogs was gonna be my first guess. Yeah. I knew there was gonna be hot dogs.
Like what?
my god. I forgot about my connects.
Gina (06:51)
You know when you're going to a party and you need to bring like a carb snack with you and you don't know what to bring, so you just grab one of those like bucket of snack mixes. They had those.
Kathryn (07:01)
yeah, okay.
Gina (07:03)
So I got a bucket of snack. just things like little random things like that. That y they had sni Hanover Snyder's pretzels, honey, mustard, and onion. One of my all-time favorites. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you can't you cannot get them here until Yeah, no, you can't find them anywhere. I mean, I guess you could probably pay a bunch of money to like get them from Amazon or something, but I don't do that. Yeah.
Kathryn (07:05)
Ha ha ha
my god, I love those. Yeah, those are good. Really? ⁓
Yeah. That's a thing. Nowadays you can get anything online.
Well, that's exciting. Yeah. Well, that's great because I don't really have anything. I am getting over an illness. So I'm not gonna be saying much this episode. I'm kinda d I don't know anything about the story. Do you wanna jump in? Are you ready to just jump like go on with it? I'm very excited. I don't know anything about this at all.
Gina (07:30)
Yeah, that's my that's all my exciting news. Two baby animals and some snacks. What a good day.
Can jump in. Yeah.
So I also didn't know anything about this until I started researching it. So I will be regaling you with tales of Alton Towers, which is an amusement park in Alton, England. And that was all I knew about it until I started looking into this. It turns out there is so much creepy, spooky, and also kind of gory stuff that has happened there that I had to cut a lot out to make this only one episode. Yeah.
Kathryn (07:56)
Okay.
my god, okay.
Gina (08:23)
⁓ and part of the reason behind that is that the history of Alton Towers stretches back thousands of years. Mm-hmm. I do have some content warnings for you today. This episode's not gonna be a super gory one, but I will be talking about folklore that deals with sudden death by mysterious illness. I'm also gonna briefly mention a plane crash that resulted in casualties.
Kathryn (08:30)
Damn.
Gina (08:47)
And we are also going to roll our eyes and point and laugh and deride someone for being homophobic. So apologies in advance. Yeah. I'm not gonna talk about any of the modern accidents that have happened at Alton Towers. There are quite a few. Some of them are very, very recent, and many of them are horrifying. If you would like to learn more about those, you can find the news articles online. Just please stay respectful in the media you consume because a lot of people, even today, are still dealing with the effects of some of those accidents.
Kathryn (08:52)
But
Gina (09:17)
But today I wanted to focus specifically on the folklore around Alton Towers, along with its paranormal inhabitants. And I want to start telling you about the land itself. Because, like I said, it is ancient. People have lived here and worked this land for thousands of years, dating all the way back to the Iron Age, which is like 1000 BC-ish, a little bit less than that.
And we know this because we have found evidence of an Iron Age fort on the Alton Towers property. Which is like the most European like just it's an amusement park with roller coasters and also an Iron Age fort. That's insane.
Kathryn (09:50)
Damn. Yeah.
Yeah, that's
yeah, that's very clearly not American. Everything's just plastic here.
Gina (10:02)
Yeah.
Yeah.
This land was also home to a famously bloody battle in the year 700 between the kings of Mercia and Wessex. And for context, Mercia and Wessex were kingdoms on the island of Great Britain before it became Great Britain. ⁓ and they did not always get along, as evidenced by the fact that they they attacked the absolute shit out of each other, and the ensuing battle was so bloody that the land that it happened on was renamed Slain.
Hollow for the number that were slain there.
Kathryn (10:38)
Geez. That's just a spooky name.
Gina (10:39)
So this the the land
it is such that sounds like the name of a book.
Kathryn (10:43)
Yeah. Anything that and anything about a hollow, I'm that's gonna be creepy. Yeah.
Gina (10:47)
I do love a hollow.
I love a hollow and I love a holler. There was a book when I was a kid. I think it was called Ruby Holler, or maybe it was Ruby Hollow. Anyway, I can't remember if that book's problematic or not, so we might have to edit this out. But as a kid I really liked it.
Kathryn (10:53)
yeah.
I was gonna say, isn't that so awful?
Like when you're anytime you talk about a book from when you were little, you have to be like caveat, I haven't read it in a few decades. So just hold on a second before I recommend. I know. I have to do that all the time. Yeah. I'm speaking on behalf of seven-year-old me.
Gina (11:08)
Yeah. Modern me does not back this up. Yeah.
Yes, yes. So this land has had a body count for a long, long, long time. Anyway, the land that Alton Towers sits on has had a lot of owners throughout its history, but for over half a millennia it belonged to one family, the Talbots, aka the Earls of Shrewsbury.
It's gonna be one of those episodes. They first got the land in 1412, and its ownership passed from Earl to Earl in the centuries that followed, until the 18th Earl of Shrewsbury decided to open the land up to the public in 1860. And this is where its roots as an amusement park begin. Tens of thousands of people flocked to the estate to see acrobats, live music.
Kathryn (11:42)
Right. Excellent.
Gina (12:09)
fireworks and to enjoy the beautiful pleasure gardens surrounding the Shrewsbury Manor House. Which I find it really fun to think about what amusement parks were before like roller coasters or rides or anything like that. It's so interesting.
Kathryn (12:23)
I know.
That's how I felt when I was even just looking into the Lake Shawnee stuff. Cause that was not nearly as old as what you're talking about, but it was just fun to learn, like, okay, before everything was so big and grand and crazy, like adrenaline rush in
Gina (12:30)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Kathryn (12:45)
Like the modern age, I don't know. I like to think of something even further back than that, I'm like, that's just wild.
Gina (12:52)
Yeah, just how did people get their kicks historically? And like also I will say this was the time when like animal abuse was absolutely rampant in these kinds of areas. So I'm not being like faux nostalgic for it. There were obvious and horrible downsides. But it's just interesting to think of amusement parks as an institution. Like where did that start? Anyway.
Kathryn (12:55)
And
That's how I feel about
circuses too though. Like I feel I it makes me really sad about how awful circuses were. Because like that whole vibe of like a traveling circus back in like the thirties or whatever, I just love that. I love that vibe. But hate what was happening, you know?
Gina (13:14)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I loved the
Yeah, I just I like the idea of a boxcar, I think is my thing. I like getting around by rail.
Kathryn (13:36)
Yeah.
Honestly, love a train. I love a train. Yeah.
Gina (13:42)
Mm-hmm.
Me too. Well, speaking of trains, we're about to talk about World War Two, which had a lot of trains. So that was a smooth transition. Anyway, so ⁓ Alton Towers in this first phase of it being kind of a s a tourist attraction
Kathryn (13:45)
Yeah.
They did. Wow, lots of trains in World War Two.
Gina (14:01)
for quite a while, but ultimately the Shrewsbury wealth began to dwindle, as we can only hope happens with all great rich and powerful families over time. So the family of Shrewsbury started selling off bits and pieces of the land here and there to help keep them afloat, until eventually in 1924, everything that was left was sold to a group of businessmen who wanted to make a profit off of this whole like visitor attraction thing.
Kathryn (14:10)
Mm.
Gina (14:28)
So it was still an amusement park, just not some specific rich person's house that people would go to. This era did not last very long though, because when World War II did kick off a little while later, the estate was closed down to the public and they turned it into an officer cadet training camp.
Kathryn (14:46)
Weird.
Gina (14:47)
Yeah. So imagine doing your military training, like your boot camp at the 1940s version of Six Flags. Like that's just insane. there's not a whole lot of information on this period in Alton Towers history because like military secrets or whatever. But in the 1950s, the land was ultimately returned to its owners, Alton Towers Limited, so that they could keep making that money off of the whole amusement park side of things.
Kathryn (14:55)
That'd be fun.
Gina (15:13)
And in 1980, Alton Towers opened as a theme park like the ones we know today, with the introduction of its corkscrew roller coaster, which I'm told at the time was revolutionary. And that is a pun. You can take that one home with you. The original mansion actually still sits on the grounds of Alton Towers. You can still visit it, and it is said to be ⁓ so very haunted.
And when you look at it, you can kind of tell because it's a very like it was a Gothic revival mansion. So it looks haunted as hell. And the gardens are still there too. And there also are reports of paranormal things in the gardens. ⁓ and both the mansion and the gardens are like listed historical sites in the UK. And they're just chilling in the middle of an amusement park. Yeah. I know. It's so wild. Yeah, I love it so much.
Kathryn (16:01)
They're just in an amusement park. What the hell dude, UK is so weird.
I love it, I
know. That's so cool.
Gina (16:10)
And one of the most enduring legends from its time as an aristocratic estate is the legend of the chained oak tree. Have you heard of this before?
Kathryn (16:18)
⁓ no
that sounds sad. No, I haven't heard of this.
Gina (16:22)
Okay, well, I will tell it to you, and then we can decide whether it is sad. The story goes that on a cold, rainy autumn evening in eighteen twenty-one, Charles, the fifteenth Earl of Shrewsbury, was in his carriage, travelling back from London, an old woman suddenly appeared in front of the carriage, blocking their way forward. The carriage lurched to a stop to avoid hitting her.
And Charles, who was annoyed at the delay, stepped outside to see what she wanted. The woman begged Charles for a coin or two, but he refused and told her that she could either get out of the way or they would run her over. In return, she cursed him and pointed to a nearby oak tree, saying, For every branch of the old oak that falls, a member of your family will die.
Charles didn't really think anything of it. He was just like, you know, this crazy lady, whatever. He went home, right? It's like the beginning of Beauty and the Beast. That's what this reminds me of. Like, come on, have we not learned?
Kathryn (17:13)
Spooky.
Classic.
I know, yeah. It's the beginning of so many
things, but that is like frame by frame, exactly. Yeah. Absolutely.
Gina (17:24)
Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's where my head went first. So he
kind of goes home, doesn't think anything of it, ⁓ and that night there was a horrible storm. and while the storm was raging, Charles received news that a family member had
Died of a sudden mysterious illness. Charles, in disbelief, walked outside to the old oak tree, where he saw a branch had fallen onto the ground. Charles was consumed by grief and regret and vowed that he would never let the same fate befall anyone else in his family. And so he ordered that every branch on the tree should be chained together so that none of them could fall. And you can still see the chains on this tree today.
It's a seven hundred year old oak tree on the property with a with very, very old chains on it.
story of how the chains got there is kind of folklore. We don't know for sure this is what actually happened. there are variations of the story as well. Some say that it was actually an old man who cursed Charles. And there's also a common misconception that once Charles found the branch that had fallen off the tree, ⁓ that he brought it back home to experiment on it. That is not true. It's actually the premise for a ride at Alton Towers called Hex.
Kathryn (18:27)
Mm.
Okay.
Gina (18:44)
He doesn't do that in the actual folklore. It was just like added by the park, but the two kind of bleed together, so some people think that it is true or it's part of the actual story and it's not.
Kathryn (18:45)
Okay.
my gosh. Okay. I mean, I do feel like that's sad just 'cause like that poor tree is all chained up and it didn't do anything.
Gina (19:00)
Okay, that is fair. I was not thinking about the tree. I was thinking about the old woman getting revenge. Yep, there we go. There it is.
Kathryn (19:02)
Yeah. ⁓ yeah, sorry, I was thinking of the tree. And therein lies both of our personalities.
Yeah. Okay.
But yeah, sad for the tree, not sad for the woman.
Yeah, okay. That's wild.
Gina (19:22)
And Alton Towers
does use this legend to its advantage, but it is worth noting that the story of the oak tree predates Alton Towers by quite a bit. We don't actually really know where the story comes from, which I always find really compelling because there's not like an easy to find record of it in local lore, which I feel like is normal for, you know, oral storytelling and things like that, word of mouth, but it's still compelling. ⁓ and
Kathryn (19:31)
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
For sure. That's the thing. Like, if you
don't know, that means it could be literally anything and you just have to trust what people say. And like, where did you learn that? You know? I love that.
Gina (19:51)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yep. Big
time. And one of my favorite parts of this story is that, ⁓ so Charles's descendants, the Talbot family, they are still alive, like they're still around. And in 2007, one of the branches fell off of this oak tree, and everyone started panicking, like, my god, are the Talbots okay? Like, what's going on? And the family had to go on record being like, We're good. No one died. We're we're fine.
Kathryn (20:18)
my god. Yeah, that'd be scary.
That's interesting. Especially for such an old tree. Like branches fall. Yeah.
Gina (20:23)
Yeah. And since
Yeah, and
and I think that's the reason why like since then a lot of branches have fallen off the tree because it's an old tree and also the chains are old and so they're rusting and like not really keeping things together anymore. ⁓ but it's still a really fun story and it still makes people visit the tree to this day.
Kathryn (20:38)
Yeah.
Yeah, I want to visit the tree. That's cool.
Gina (20:48)
I do too. Yeah. And I'll send you I'll we'll include some pictures of it ⁓ in the YouTube video and on Instagram because it does look very spooky. There's I think a series of twenty stone steps leading up to this massive tree with these old ass chains hanging from it, and it's just again like something out of a horror novel.
Kathryn (21:06)
Crazy.
Gina (21:08)
But we are not just here for spooky trees. We are here for ghosts and ghosts I do have. In fact I have a poltergeist to tell you about.
Kathryn (21:16)
my god, okay.
Gina (22:17)
After the Earl of Shrewsbury officially sold off the land, the new owner's family, the Bagshaw family, lived there for a really long time. I think the family was there for like 90 years when all was said and done. They were key in the early operations of the park, especially when it reopened after World War II. And multiple members of this family have reported very strange experiences on the grounds. So back then, and we're talking like
kind of 60s, 70s, 80s era. The mansion's Great Hall was the main hub of the park. It's where the gift shop was, it's where one of the restaurants was. It was just like a really big deal from the money-making side of things. And it might still be today. I don't know. I have not been to Alton Towers, but I know that it was a big deal in the latter half of the 20th century. And that's where the family spent a lot of their time while working.
And one of our first stories comes from a family member referred to as Uncle Hippo. Yeah, because the story is like later retold by this guy's nephew. So I'm I'm going to refer to this guy as Uncle Hippo, because that's how I read the story, but I know that's not a name we can just brush right past. So I just had to explain. So one morning, Uncle Hippo.
Kathryn (23:18)
Okay. Alright, why not?
Wait. Yeah, no, that's fantastic.
Gina (23:36)
came into the gift shop as usual, and he found that a book had been defaced. It seemed like a series of numbers were cut out of the book, apparently at random. And that like if you picture, you know, a stereotypical like ransom note, how they cut out like the letters and glue them together. It was kind of like that. But the numbers were left on the counter to in order to be found. Like it was apparent that this was something that whoever did this or whatever did this intended to be seen. And the numbers
Kathryn (23:51)
Yeah. Okay.
Gina (24:06)
were 17 36335. At first, the uncle was a little bit dismissive of this. He was just like, this is just like a super weird cryptic prank, whatever. But the more he looked at the numbers, the more he felt compelled towards them. And he was curious if they actually did mean something. he took the numbers home with him.
And over the years he would return to them every now and then to look for patterns or a code that he might have missed the first time or the first several times, but to no avail. Until nearly 10 years later, in 1977, when the Tenerife Airport disaster happened. Stick with me. I know this is gonna sound really out there. So
Kathryn (24:52)
No, okay.
Gina (24:55)
The Tanerife Airport disaster was when two 747s collided on a runway at Los Rodeos Airport, and it resulted in ⁓ hundreds of deaths. It was an absolute tragedy. It completely reshaped the way that the aviation industry functioned in terms of communication and training. I think the most modern reference I can make to it is like if you've seen Breaking Bad, when the thing with the plane happens, they talk about this crash.
As like a precursor to that kind of tragedy. It of course made worldwide news, and the news made its way to Uncle Hippo, who finally saw the pattern in the numbers. As a reminder, the numbers were 1736-335. 1736 was the flight number of one of the aircrafts that crashed, and 335 is the number of people who died on that airplane.
Kathryn (25:23)
Okay.
Gina (25:55)
Personally, I will concede that that is strange. I do kind of lean more towards the like, even a broken clock is right twice a day kind of thinking. I do th it's more interesting to think that the numbers were tied to the plane crash and that they always were, but I also like to be boring and realistic about it, the human brain is constantly searching for patterns where there are none because that's what we're wired to do. And if you leave a pattern out there for long enough, eventually you'll be able to tie it to something. So I'm not
Hundred percent sold on this being paranormal, but it is freaky.
Kathryn (26:27)
I am one hundred percent. Do you have any
idea what the odds are that the exact number of digits just like mysteriously end up on the counter one day? Where'd they come from? Who did that? How did they know? I'm one hundred percent positive this is paranormal.
Gina (26:46)
Those are fair.
Those are those are fair points.
Kathryn (26:49)
There's gotta be s some some math dweeb out there. Can you like calculate the odds for us? Because I know it's something crazy. That's why people don't win the lottery, cause there's too many number combination possibilities.
Gina (27:03)
That is that is true, that is fair, but I will say the next story I'm about to tell you I am much less skeptical of.
Kathryn (27:08)
Okay.
Gina (27:09)
And really it's no. Right. We'll just swap our respective hats. It'll be fun. And really like this next I'm calling it a story. It's more like a series of stories that the grandma of the family has. ⁓ it encounters with a poltergeist, basically. Who by the way, the family claimed it was a female poltergeist, which I got so excited about because
Kathryn (27:09)
Watch, I'm gonna be like, no, let me show you why this is fake. ⁓
Gina (27:36)
I love seeing female repres representation in poltergeist activity. I just think that's really cool.
Kathryn (27:41)
I feel like isn't am I making
this up? I feel like a lot of poltergeist stories, not necessarily the poltergeist itself, but is often attached to a young girl or a woman. ⁓ Isn't it? Yeah.
Gina (27:53)
That's what I was I was thinking about the Bell Witch. When I got excited about
this, I was like, but that was attached to a girl. But I still, and maybe this is a me thing. When I think poltergeist, my mind goes masculine. I don't go feminine right away.
Kathryn (28:01)
Yeah.
okay.
And that's the thing. I don't as into the paranormal as I am, I still don't fully understand what a poltergeist is. I understand they like move shit around and all that crap, but it's like, is it the person it is attached to or is it like its own thing? Because I do know one thing that I have like learned is it is o like the folklore stories or history we know about poltergeist are often attached to
Gina (28:15)
Mm.
Good point.
Kathryn (28:35)
Like it's like a puberty aged thing related to like young girls. Not always. I don't wanna make it sound like it always is, but that is like a a common thread. Sorry, I Yeah.
Gina (28:39)
Mm.
I like the idea of it being an always thing. Like, honey,
you're gonna get your period and you're gonna get a poltergeist. I like that.
Kathryn (28:51)
That's kind of that's kind of the way some of these stories are presented, where it's like, yeah,
where it's like, well, we can explain why this is happening because she's 13, guys. You know, like that's kind of the way a lot of them are excused. Cause then it like goes away by the time, you know, they're like hormonally normal again or whatever. Yeah.
Gina (29:12)
I
like what I'm about to tell you a lot more if I picture it's like the energy of some f angry 13 year old. And I honestly think it makes a lot of sense if it is. Okay, so it all started with a line of toy ducks in the gift shop.
Kathryn (29:18)
Okay, yeah, I'm into this. Yeah.
Gina (29:27)
ducks would be in one spot when the grandma closed the shop for the day, but when she came back, they would be in a completely different position. Which is strange enough, but the grandma didn't really feel threatened by it. It was more just like an inconvenience, like, that's weird, whatever. But over time
Kathryn (29:35)
⁓
Gina (29:45)
Her encounters got more and more unsettling. Dolls would be removed from their packaging and left sitting in the chairs of the restaurant. She would also find the dolls covered in jewelry, almost like a little kid was playing dress-up with them. Random pages would be torn out from books and left on the floor. And one morning she came into the gift shop to find hundreds of those little, like, green toy soldier thingies.
Kathryn (30:01)
Dress up ⁓ yeah
Mm-hmm.
Gina (30:15)
all over the floor, but they were arranged in a really weird way. All of the toy soldiers that were holding weapons were laying down on the ground. So like they were, you know, dead if you were playing with them. But all of the toy soldiers without weapons were still standing.
Kathryn (30:31)
that's interesting.
Gina (30:33)
I find that freaky because if it is sending a message, the message is like weapons cannot protect you.
Kathryn (30:36)
Hmm.
I that's
w exactly where my head went first. Like that is sending a strong some strong nonverbal communication. Yeah. Everything's scarier through toys.
Gina (30:43)
Yeah.
Freaky and through the medium of toy, that's scary.
Agreed. That is very true.
Kathryn (30:55)
Always
when it comes to hauntings, 'cause it's like that weird innocent and ominous mix, yeah.
Gina (31:01)
Mm.
But then the poltergeist got even more destructive. Back then, the gift shop sold some pretty upscale stuff, like some pricey watches and things like that, and they kept those locked away in a glass display case, like the ones you see at jewelry stores. And every now and then, when the grandma would open the shop, she would see that the watches had been tampered with. And by tampered with, I mean
Kathryn (31:26)
⁓
Gina (31:29)
Twisted and torn to shreds in a way that would be extremely difficult for human hands to accomplish.
Kathryn (31:36)
That's weird.
Gina (31:38)
Yeah, it was like an animal with metal teeth got at them. Very freaky. And what made it even more unexplainable, as if that was not already freaky enough, is that the grandma is the only one who had the key to the display case, and she wore it on a necklace around her neck because what was in the case was so valuable she didn't want to lose the key. So she was never without it.
Kathryn (31:59)
Yeah, that's always gotta be the first thought of like who else has access to this and are they pranksters?
Gina (32:05)
Right.
And that's exactly what so they the family did wind up looking for help with this. And the first person they went to was the local chief of police. And that's exactly where his mind went. He was like, it's gotta just be like a prankster or something like that, which is logical. So the family was like, All right, bet you wanna stay the night. And he did, he spent the night alone in the mansion.
Kathryn (32:08)
Damn.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Gina (32:31)
And he prepared for this by sealing all of the windows and the doors with masking tape. He turned off all of the lights and he just kind of sat in a chair with his dog, waiting for someone to try breaking in. And when the family tells this story, they say that the chief of police lasted until around 3 a.m. when he started banging on the owner's door absolutely terrified. He said that he heard
Really scary sounds like footsteps when no one was there, banging sounds with no source, and also and this is a a hallmark of like poltergeist and freaky shit, his dog was going nuts the entire time. Hackles up, snarling, and that was not in character for this dog. Something was up. It saw some.
Kathryn (33:12)
Yeah.
Mm.
Definitely a poltergeist.
Gina (33:22)
So very poltergeisty. So the police were no help. Instead, the family brought in a paranormal investigator.
The investigator interviewed the family, checked out the mansion, stayed there for a few nights, and when all was said and done, his official diagnosis was that the hauntings had been triggered by the presence of a gay couple that worked in the gift shop. Yeah, so that's helpful. Yeah, yeah, super great. the family never did wind up getting to the bottom of the poltergeist thing, but there is one more story from this family that I want to share with you, because it's about a book that might be cursed.
Kathryn (33:44)
Classic. Yeah
Okay.
Gina (34:02)
Talk about right up our alley. So the story comes from the aunt in the family, Aunt Annie. One night in October, she was doing a stock take and she was kind of rushing to finish up so that she could get home. And she was crouching down behind the counter when all of a sudden everything went cold. She was hit with a really strong floral scent, something that she would later describe as smelling like old perfume. And then she heard a big
bang sound right behind her. So she spun around and saw that a book had fallen to the ground. And the title of the book was A Stranger Is Watching.
Kathryn (34:41)
my god, no, I hate that. ⁓ my god, gross. Wait, can I tell you something real quick? Did I tell you about that book that freaked me out that one day at the bookstore? Okay, I was having a day where I was just feeling really weird, and everything was just like, I don't know. was standing at the front counter and I was just like watching everyone walk around, and I remember thinking, I feel like I'm in this simulation right now. Like something just feels weird and off.
Gina (34:42)
I know I know Yeah, I know. Mm-hmm.
I don't think so.
Kathryn (35:08)
And I turn around and there was a book sitting on the counter. And it had, I wish I could, I think I took a picture of it. It had a title that said something along the lines of like, if you if you are reading this book, that means you're not really here, or something like that. It says it literally, I was gonna say, there's no way I didn't tell you that. I was freaked out. I literally I had like a mental breakdown that day. I was so scared. That specific
Gina (35:24)
⁓ you did tell me about this. my god. No, you definitely did. Fuck that.
⁓ dude, no.
Kathryn (35:38)
S obvious like so I'm bringing it up because that I like know how she felt in that moment. That is the worst feeling. That is so scary. I hate that. Yeah. Yes. Mm-mm.
Gina (35:46)
So terrifying. And like when she's alone too in this like haunted ass mansion at night
in October during spooky season, like just so fucking scary. So she did what any rational person would do, and she ran the hell out of there. She got really, really freaked out by it. And she ran to her car, got in, locked the doors, but when she turned the engine on, she couldn't bring herself to leave. She just sat there. She was over.
Kathryn (35:54)
So scary. Awful.
Good for her.
Hmm.
Gina (36:16)
With the need to go back inside and get this book. She was fixated on it. Her body would not let her drive away. And so that's what she did. She got the book, took it home, put it on her bookshelf, and that is when she started experiencing strange things in her home.
her husband said that he would burn the book for her in a bonfire because it freaked her out so much. He was just like, I'll burn it, we'll get rid of this evil, whatever. And she was completely fine with that. Like, gave him her blessing. But a week later, she found the book in their garage.
And at first, she was just like, ⁓ he must have just like forgotten to burn it, no big deal. But when she mentioned it to her husband, he was baffled. He insisted that he had burned it. And to be fair, he could have been lying. Or maybe he also found himself compelled to keep the book. Who knows? But a few years later, Annie's daughter.
Kathryn (37:08)
Yeah.
Gina (37:14)
Did a school project where she had to interview someone with an interesting story. And so she interviewed Annie about this like weird book thing. And when she turned in the project, her teacher was so enraptured with this story that she asked if she could see the book. And Annie was like, Yeah, sure, as long as you give it back, no problem. Handed the book over, and she never saw the book again.
Kathryn (37:39)
my god.
Gina (37:39)
The teacher
made up excuse after excuse until eventually she said that she had just lost the book, but Annie always suspected that the teacher felt just as compelled to keep it as Annie had.
Kathryn (37:51)
Yeah. What the fuck's going on with this book?
Gina (37:54)
Freaky, right?
I know. wonder if it just got sick of like the stuffy old mansion and it wanted to be somewhere new, amongst new books.
Kathryn (38:00)
Be free. Yeah.
Maybe.
Gina (38:04)
I am intrigued to read this book now. It's by, was it Mary Higgins? Yeah, Mary Higgins Clark is the author's name. And it's like a thriller book.
Kathryn (38:10)
⁓ what?
Yeah, she's like a huge author. She's got like a million books. What the fuck?
Gina (38:15)
Yeah, this is
one of and apparently it was cursed.
Kathryn (38:19)
weird. ⁓ that seems like something we could do a whole episode on. She's like a huge author. Interesting. I thought you I thought it was gonna be some weird ancient text. Just by some random best-selling author? What the hell? Yeah.
Gina (38:25)
Let's do it.
That's what I thought like some like Necronomicon or like,
you know, the hammer of witches or something like that. No, it was just like a thriller b like a like a at the time a contemporary thriller.
Kathryn (38:40)
Yeah, that's literally
like saying like a st you could have said like a Stephen King novel.
Gina (38:47)
Heated rivalry fell off the shelf and
Kathryn (38:49)
Yeah.
Interesting. Okay. I did not I was not expecting you to say that name. Okay, interesting. That really like the book looks different in my head now. I'm imagining some like leather bound, like it's just some weird mass market. Yeah. Okay.
Gina (38:53)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
picture too and then I googled the book 'cause I was like, I wonder yeah, and it was just like the same cover
you see on every paperback thriller cover, you know? Mm-hmm.
Kathryn (39:13)
Yeah. Okay, weird.
That makes it so much stranger to me.
Gina (39:17)
Super weird. Yeah. We mainly know these stories now because of a guy named William Broome. He was Annie's nephew. He was like the baby of the family. And he did share one more very, very short paranormal anecdote about the gift shop that I have to share with you because it just made me laugh. This is a direct quote from his writings on the paranormal experiences. It says, quote: Granny remembers two old ladies walking through the gift shop when one said to the other,
Kathryn (39:19)
Okay. Interesting.
Mm-hmm.
Gina (39:47)
Grace, did you see that? The teapot just moved across the shelf. To which Grace responded, Mavis, I told you not to have any sherry before we came today and you've let me down.
Kathryn (39:56)
Yeah.
Ha ha ha
You've let me down. That's so good. That's fantastic.
Gina (40:06)
Yeah, baby laugh.
That'll be us, except we'll both be drinking sherry.
Kathryn (40:13)
I know, I was
literally just imagining us in that scenario. I don't know who would be who.
Gina (40:17)
Depends on the day. On a Tuesday I can be Mavis. On a Wednesday you can be Mavis.
Kathryn (40:18)
And ⁓ my god, that's
so funny. And you've let me down.
Gina (40:24)
I know. Just crack me up.
So most of the stories that we've talked about today take place a pretty long time ago, but people still report paranormal encounters at Alton Towers to this day, especially in the mansion. Earlier, when we were talking about the legend of the oak tree, I mentioned a ride called Hex. ⁓ so that ride is located in the mansion's old armory and picture gallery.
So it's not just like a mansion that's on the ground, so they like actively use it for rides and stuff, which is wild to me. And the people who stand in line for this ride often report seeing Victorian-era children running around. They also report having things thrown at them, like for example, rocks. Yeah, so I'm not getting on this ride.
Kathryn (40:54)
Hm, yeah.
⁓
Yeah.
What the F? That's not nice. Is it like the kids throwing the rocks?
Gina (41:16)
I think so. I think that's what it's supposed to be. But I always wonder when people tell stories about like throwing rocks at things, I always think like, okay, is it a rock or is it like a pebble? Because those are very different th you know what I mean? Like, it's gotta be a peb like that's for kids, that's fine. But if a kid threw a whole ass rock at somebody's head, like Jesus, that's like you shouldn't be in that mansion.
Kathryn (41:18)
Yeah. Hm. Weird.
Always a pebble. Yeah, it's a pebble. Yeah.
Yeah. No, I feel like it's well, it depends on the story. I will say any story I've heard where it is like a proper rock that has been specified.
Gina (41:51)
Okay. We'll assume this was the Pebble. Up the Pebble kids were doing this. People also report seeing a lavender lady in the mansion.
Kathryn (41:51)
'Cause it's like so outrageous. Yeah.
Okay.
Ooh, I want to do that when I'm dead. Yeah.
Gina (42:06)
Right, we've had ⁓
ladies in white, ladies in black, grey ladies. We have not had a lavender lady, yep. And she is called this because she is accompanied by the strong scent of lavender.
Kathryn (42:12)
⁓
Ooh, I love that. love lavender.
Gina (42:20)
so it made me wonder what
do I want my ghost to smell like?
Kathryn (42:23)
Yeah. Ooh. Yeah, lavender's a strong contender.
Gina (42:26)
So we'll give that some thought and then we can talk about it. Maybe in the palette Yeah.
I do like that. I also like rose petal. I love rose
Kathryn (42:34)
Ooh, I like that.
Gina (42:36)
Yeah, we'll take that one away, brainstorm, and then we'll discuss what we want our after death sense to be. ⁓ according to reports about the Lavender Lady, she is incredibly lifelike, and park employees will often think that she's like a park guest who just got lost or accidentally wound up in the wrong area or something, and they'll go over to help her and she'll just disappear into thin air.
Kathryn (42:40)
Okay.
Mm.
Gina (43:01)
Employees report tons of other encounters in the mansion as well. There are stories about staff being shoved from behind by unseen hands. And this one I find so freaky, there are reports of seeing children peeking out from behind boxes and crates.
Kathryn (43:16)
Dude,
listen, we gotta talk about peeking for just a second because I just this morning, I have to do this all the time. Phil will like do that to me. We're like, I'll be in he just did it today. Or so the way my office is set up, door is that way, and the stairs, I can see like the corner of the stairs right outside the door. And so he was coming upstairs and I could hear him coming upstairs, and then all of a sudden it stopped.
Gina (43:21)
Freaky.
I hate that.
Kathryn (43:47)
And I was like, what the fuck? What's he doing? And I look and he's like peeking at me from a r like on the stairs around the corner. And he does that to me all the time. And he doesn't mean anything by it, but it's so effing scary because he has very long hair. And so if you've ever seen Haunting of Hill House, he kind of looks like the bent neck lady when he does it. And so he's done it to me at night a couple of times. And it's genuinely the most like I've started fights over it.
Gina (43:54)
Scary.
Ha ha ha.
Kathryn (44:16)
And like he just it's it's one of those things he just does it like without thinking. Like he's just like, hello, like he's not trying to be scary, he's just like looking at me. And I'm just like, dude, I he just doesn't understand how fucking terrifying he is when he does that. I hate a peek around the corner. I I hate it. I hate that feeling so much.
Gina (44:34)
Yeah. I
When when you don't know 'cause Tom and I will do that when we know we are next to each other. Like I'll hold up the blanket and peek over you what I like cutesy little things like that. But when you don't know someone's there, ⁓ no. That's terrifying.
Kathryn (44:43)
Yes, that's okay. F and that's what Phil thinks he's doing. Exactly. That's what Phil thinks he's
doing and he's not. Because it's that feeling of like, it's like you're looking out around the room and you can feel like someone's looking at you. And when you catch the eye, it's like that like ⁓ feeling. Even if you like know it's there, it's still horrendo like it's just horrendous. I I my god, I hate it.
Gina (44:53)
Come on, Philip.
Mm-hmm.
It's like that.
It's
I mean, lump that in with like that one scene from Insidious and also that scene from Parasite and any scene where there's like something in the background that you don't see until it moves a little bit. Hate that. So scary.
Kathryn (45:19)
my God, that's how
hereditary is. If you know you know. ⁓ my god.
Gina (45:23)
That's Tom told me I should
never watch it because of actually no, that's a lie. I think he told me that I should watch it, but that he would tell me the timestamps of when that happens. Or maybe that was you.
Kathryn (45:32)
Feel like I remember this conversation. I feel like we've had this discussion. Maybe it was me. I feel like we talked about it on the podcast. Was it hereditary?
Gina (45:38)
I can't remember. Like we
did. If only there was a record of the things that we talk about on our podcast.
Kathryn (45:44)
I know iscreamyouscreampod@gmail.com
Have we talked about this before? What is happening? ⁓ no, that's a I well, this is such a tangent, but but that is like the infamous number one scene that I'm like, I feel like once you see that movie, it's like no movie has made me feel the way we are describing more violently than that one pivotal scene.
Gina (45:51)
Ha ha
Kathryn (46:12)
'Cause it like takes a second to like figure out what you're looking at.
Gina (46:12)
Yeah.
I don't
like I don't like any notion that I can't trust my senses.
Kathryn (46:20)
Ugh, gross. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, that was an aside. That just ⁓ Jesus Christ. Man, this is a scary place.
Gina (46:22)
Yeah. S speaking of not being able to trust things ⁓
a very scary place, man. ⁓ there's a story about a mimic on the grounds of Alton Towers.
Kathryn (46:34)
No, hard
no. Absolutely not.
Gina (46:37)
But kind of yes, because I'm gonna tell you the story anyway. So just for a little bit of context before I tell you the story proper, they ⁓ every year for Halloween, Alton Towers opens up like haunted mazes that run on the property, and one of them is called not a fan of a haunted maze.
Kathryn (46:39)
I know kind of yes. I'm like really intrigued by this.
No, listen, I
to literally sorry, this is you're just like coming at me with all of my least favorite things right now. I have never once been in a corn maze. I tried to one time and I literally had a panic attack. I I will never I hate it. I hate a maze.
Gina (47:01)
I know. ⁓
don't like a maze either. Mainly because I'm not good at them, but also I feel like haunted mazes would just scare the absolute daylights out of me. No.
Kathryn (47:15)
Yeah.
I can't do it. Yeah. I need to like
see my exit if I am like entering into that type of like haunted situation. Yeah.
Gina (47:26)
Yeah. Completely agree. Yeah.
Like haunted Hayride, fine, because I can shut my eyes and wait for it to be over. When I'm in control of my own safety, mm-mm. Yeah, yeah, agreed. So the mimic story, unsurprisingly, comes from one of these mazes, and it actually comes from one of the actors who was employed in the maze. ⁓ so their job was to be the scary thing in the maze, basically. And the story goes, quote.
Kathryn (47:33)
Yep, just hop off and run. Yeah. No.
Mm.
Okay.
Gina (47:54)
One of the Mine Tours hosts mentioned to the manager that they had seen her waving down at them from one of the windows on the upper floor of the ruins above mine tours. She was baffled, as she hadn't done this, but brushed it off as her being mistaken for someone else. Over time, more and more of the host team reported that they had seen her in the same window waving down to them.
By this point, she became confused because she wasn't doing this and didn't understand why everyone was saying they'd seen her in the same upstairs window waving at them. Why would she even be up there in the first place? So eventually, the manager and another colleague decided to investigate and went to find the window she was allegedly waving at the hosts from. They found it, but the room it was in had no floor. There was no no possibility.
possible way for anyone, whether it was her or not, to stand at that window and wave at people.
Kathryn (48:53)
My god.
Gina (48:56)
Terrifying.
⁓
Kathryn (49:00)
That's stressful.
Gina (49:02)
I don't like that, and my heart rate's elevated, so I'm gonna wrap this up. so yeah, Alton Towers definitely leans into its haunted reputation. It has that hex ride that we talked about with the Chained Oak story. There's Scare Fest every year, and last year in 2025, they offered a VIP ghost tour for Halloween, where you got a ninety minute tour of the ruins with like paranormal investigative equipment and things like that, which sounds really cool.
Kathryn (49:06)
Ha ha ha.
Mm-hmm.
my god, cool.
Gina (49:31)
I don't know if they're gonna do the same thing this year, but apparently tickets sold out like super fast last year. So I'm I imagine they would because money. Yeah, and thus concludes my episode on Alton Towers.
Kathryn (49:36)
Yeah. Yeah.
Man,
that was spookier than I was expecting it to be.
Gina (49:46)
wanna visit the ruins. I am a little bit scared. Yeah, yeah, same.
Kathryn (49:47)
I was gonna say I wanna see the house, yeah. I wanna see the
tree specifically.
Gina (49:54)
Yeah. Well, when you come visit me, if we drive like four hours north just for a little day trip. Yeah. Yeah.
Kathryn (50:01)
Yeah. Casual.
Could do that. Cool. Well, that was horrifying. And
Fascinating. I've never heard of this place.
Gina (50:13)
Well now you have I was second guessing myself a little bit because when I was reading all the stuff about Alton Towers, everything you know how like the marketing speak is, it's like the most impressive theme park in Europe changed the world for forever. And I was like was and was I like living under a rock for thirty years, having never like heard of this place until I moved here, but you've validated me, so thank you.
Kathryn (50:21)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Well,
I feel like I don't know, Americans just don't know about most things outside of America until they leave America. Like, do you know what I mean? Yeah.
Gina (50:42)
It's true. That is true. And
also like you guys have got Disney like the two Disney parks, you've got Universal, you've got ⁓ Six Flags, like there are some Cedar Point, like there's lots of other big amusement parks there. You don't need to know about Alton Towers. Unless you listen to this podcast, in which case you do. Anyway. ⁓ so now that I have all of those terrifying, horrible things in my brain, you wanna give me a scary on top?
Kathryn (50:48)
Mm-hmm.
Doo doo doo. Yeah.
Let me put another one in there.
All right. So this message came from my father. and it's kind of like a story within a story, so bear with me. Okay. So he says, I was recently visiting a friend and we were chatting about a story that he had told me many years ago. As some background, we came of age in the 1960s, early 70s, and hitchhiking was a very popular and very normal.
It wasn't just a way to get a ride. Some people did it just for fun or to meet people or go somewhere new, whatever. No one ever really worried about any kind of danger. so that's kind of just a preface to this story that happened around 1990, So the following is from Carey friend of my father's. Here we go. Okay.
He says, I think it was around nineteen ninety sometime. I was living in West Palm Beach, Florida, and spent a lot of time driving to my trailer in Lake Okeechobee, I think is how you say it. I don't know. I don't know anything about Florida. Lake Okeechobee, or sometimes to Jacksonville for work.
I was a driver slash warehouse manager for a beer distributor at the time. I mentioned this because with all the driving around, I do not recall exactly what road I was on when I saw her. I do remember I was by myself in my personal car, not the beer truck. I saw this woman hitchhiking, and my first thought was to pick her up. So I started to slow down. We were looking at each other and I could tell she knew I intended to pick her up.
But as soon as I made eye contact, all of a sudden I got this really weird, uncomfortable feeling in my stomach. It felt like something was wrong. In a split second decision, I kept driving instead of picking her up. I felt really, really bad about it. It felt wrong to leave a woman all by herself on the road. what if someone else with bad intentions decided to pick her up instead?
I wrestled with this decision for days, trying to figure out if I had made the right choice. A few days later, I was telling a buddy at the bar that I still felt really bad about not picking her up. It was just stuck with me. I said I hoped that she was okay and that she had found a safe ride. Another guy at the bar overheard what I was saying. He looked pensive for a moment, then slowly slid a newspaper over to me and pointed to a sketch the police had published.
He half jokingly asked if I would feel better if it happened to be her. Turns out it did because the police sketch of the woman I had seen was of a woman named Eileen Warnos. Yeah. ⁓ for those who don't know, the notorious serial killer who was convicted of murdering numerous men who picked her up while hitchhiking. Yeah, didn't that just make your stomach drop?
Gina (53:51)
No
⁓ dude God.
Kathryn (54:07)
Yeah. So for for just some additional context, this came from the guy. For those of you who have been listening for a while, this friend was the man driving the car one night that they saw the ghost lady on the road. Yeah, so he is the other one who also saw the ghost in addition to my dad. He was the one driving. Yeah.
Gina (54:25)
my god.
my god, I'm glad he didn't pick her up. Jesus. I that came out. I thought you were gonna say she was like a ghost or something. Like she was never really there or something. And then when you mentioned the like police sketch, I was like, is this that Eileen lady? No way. my god.
Kathryn (54:35)
I know.
I know. Yeah.
Yeah. Way.
Yeah. Also, I will say, ⁓ it is alleged that this man's sister also went to Sunday school with Jeffrey Dahmer, which sounds fake, but it could be true because they grew up in West Allis which is where Jeffrey Dahmer did his shit. So
Gina (55:03)
You know,
recently someone was asking me where I lived before I lived here and I said Wisconsin, and they responded with like, I've heard a lot of weird things have happened in Wisconsin. And I was like, Yeah, but surprised that made its way overseas. How do you know that?
Kathryn (55:18)
It's it's one of
those things where like locally I feel like that's not very much discussed. Like it's really mostly about the beer brats and cheese, but I feel like elsewhere it's more of a, hey, that's a place where all those random ass serial killers are from, right? Cause we have a lot. There's a lot of like prolific guys that either are from here or worked here. Worked here, I say.
Gina (55:25)
Yeah.
Yeah. You're a hundred percent right, because this this
same person, within like a beat or two of the conversation, I mentioned Milwaukee's history with like beer brewing and he had no idea what I was talking about. So the reputation around serial killers does precede the beer industry. Miller would not be happy about that.
Kathryn (55:54)
Yeah.
Mm.
I know. Yeah. So anywho, yeah, this guy apparently he's just got a really weird track record for chicks on the road while driving
Gina (56:13)
Soon yeah.
Maybe he should stop driving. Just in case. Man. Well, thank you so much, Mr. Kathryn's dad, for sending that.
Kathryn (56:16)
I know, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah,
So anyway, if you have a story, hopefully not like this, hopefully you've never experienced this. But if you have, feel free to let us know. iscreamyouscreampod@gmail.com. and please rate and review us wherever you listen. we love hearing from you guys. and if you want more from each month, go ahead and join us on Patreon. But until next time, little spoons, keep it cool.
Gina (56:46)
Keep it creepy.
